Jason Lloyd: Ty Lue says Tristan Thompson will come off the bench when he returns, which should be tomorrow. Still no firm timetable on Isaiah Thomas, who went through 3 on 3 today.
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Jason Lloyd: Ty Lue says Tristan Thompson will come off the bench when he returns, which should be tomorrow. Still no firm timetable on Isaiah Thomas, who went through 3 on 3 today.
Isaiah Thomas competed in a four-on-four scrimmage Wednesday. Lue said Thomas came through it without soreness but didn’t know when the All-Star point guard might play. “I know after three on three (on Tuesday) he felt really good the next day and then four on four had no soreness,” Lue said. “He feels pretty good.”
Thomas, who has not played in an NBA game in nearly seven months after a torn labrum in his right hip ended his season prematurely following Game 2 of the Eastern Conference finals, is expected to make his debut with Cleveland before the end of the month, according to the team. When asked if recent developments in Thomas’ rehab could accelerate that timeline, Lue said, “I’m not sure.”
Lue was encouraged by Thomas’ play, saying “there was contact; he looked good.” On Thompson, Lue added he would “hopefully” play this week.
Cavaliers All-Star point guard Isaiah Thomas played 4-on-4 on Wednesday, a significant step in his recovery from a hip injury. With coach Tyronn Lue and members of the team’s front office watching intently from behind the basket, Thomas moved freely and didn’t appear to have any restrictions during the half-court workout that took place following the team’s morning shootaround.
Rick Noland: Lue on IT: “We don’t have a timetable yet”
ESPN Cleveland: Windhorst: Internally, the #Cavs are shooting for mid-December for a return of Isaiah Thomas. He is ramping up to 3-on-3 work.
Jared Weiss: IT out here revving up the hype train.
Regardless of his late night Tweet, Isaiah Thomas remains “steps away” from his Cavaliers debut, according to several people — him included. On Sunday, Thomas Tweeted that he was “locked in” and that it was almost time, though he didn’t specify for what.
Isaiah Thomas: Locked in! It’s almost ⌚️
Jordan Zirm: Isaiah Thomas back out on the court for another pregame workout with Cavs assistant coach Phil Handy
As for Isaiah Thomas, Lue said there is no target date for his return yet, either. Yet, optimism is running rampant regarding the two-time All-Star.
While there is still no return date set, point guard Isaiah Thomas continues to make progress in his recovery from a torn labrum and other injuries suffered to his right hip, taking a significant step early Wednesday morning.
After shuffling side to side in drills following shootaround, testing his range of motion, Thomas started going through his typical individual shooting session. He ran to midcourt and back to the 3-point line, catching passes and launching long range jumpers, trying to simulate transition pull-ups.
Given his on-court work, the possibility exists that he will return prior to the team’s original Jan. 1 date — and his teammates are excited to get him back. “He’s a veteran, too, so he kind of knows what to expect,” LeBron James said. “Obviously this has been another difficult challenge for him with this injury but we as the other guys that’s been playing have to figure out how to get him involved and get him acclimated as quick as possible.”
Cleveland Cavaliers point guard Isaiah Thomas participated in full-court five-on-zero offensive drills Sunday, marking the first time he has practiced with his teammates in that manner since he was acquired from the Boston Celtics in a trade involving Kyrie Irving in August. Thomas, who is still recovering from a torn labrum in his right hip, told Cleveland.com that Sunday was the “hardest I’ve run” during the rehabilitation process and he “felt good for the most part” afterward.
But the organization continues to slow play Thomas’ return from the torn labrum and other injuries suffered to his right hip last season. Though virtually everyone involved allows for the possibility that Thomas will return of the team’s original Jan. 1 target date, there has been no formal update on his status.
The Cleveland Cavaliers organization continues to slow play Isaiah Thomas’ return from the torn labrum and other injuries suffered to his right hip last season. Though virtually everyone involved allows for the possibility that Thomas will return of the team’s original Jan. 1 target date, there has been no formal update on his status. And Thomas said he truly appreciates the Cavs’ approach to his rehab that’s kept him out to this point. “I’m protecting myself, so, even if they wanted me to hurry back, I’m not going to hurry back, just because I’ve got a long career ahead of me and an important summer as well,” Thomas told cleveland.com. “So, I’ve got to make sure I’m 100 percent healthy before I step out on the floor. But these guys have not rushed me one bit. They’ve taken their time with me and I appreciate that. Because most teams, they want you out there, especially if things aren’t going well.”
After initially getting injured in March, with Minnesota big man Karl-Anthony Towns landing on him awkwardly, Thomas played through it and made things worse. Eventually, he was shut down in the conference finals against the Cavs. “I played until I literally couldn’t run anymore,” Isaiah Thomas said. “Just wish I was able to be healthy and be able to give more because I felt like we could have won that series. “I was going to play till the end and I literally did that.”
But Isaiah Thomas appears to be ahead of schedule from the Cavs’ target date for his return of on or about Jan. 1. During Thomas’ interview for this story, however, coach Tyronn Lue walked by and yelled “100 percent,” an indication Thomas will not be allowed to rush back. “I feel good man,” Thomas said. “Every week I’m getting better and better and I’m able to do more and more, and it’s getting there.”
Although the team has not disclosed any change from its original timetable estimate of the end of December, it’s apparent that Thomas is getting closer. At 4-6, and lacking a second scorer to complement LeBron James, the Cavs might be tempted to rush Thomas along. But Lue said it’s imperative for the team to stick with its plan so as not to harm the 28-year-old.
Isaiah Thomas’ timetable for return seems to be accelerating from the original target of January 1. Thomas, the two-time All-Star and All-NBA point guard, hasn’t played this season because of right hip injuries suffered last year. Weeks after the Cavs traded Kyrie Irving to Boston for Thomas and more, Cleveland set a conservative target of the new year for his return. Though there has been no official update on that target from the Cavs, Thomas’ on-court work has increased at practice and before games. He received a full training-table stretching and treatment before Friday’s game in Washington, and then hit the court for stationary, one-dribble, and two-dribble shooting, as well as some half-speed drives to the hoop.
Dave McMenamin: The Cavs say Isaiah Thomas is “increasing his range of motion” in his workouts and continues to progress in his rehabilitation program.
“I left Cleveland, everybody was excited, everybody was on board,” Thomas explains. “Then I get off the plane in Vegas and there are all these stories about my hip. People were looking at me like I had one leg.”
Five months have passed and Thomas rises from his kitchen table to stretch his right hip. “No doubt about it, I should have sat out the playoffs,” he says. “No way around it, I made it worse.” After Game 2 of the East finals, the Celtics shut down Thomas, and he braced for surgery. “I thought I’d get it done in a couple days and start rehab,” he recounts. Thomas went to New York City for an appointment with Bryan Kelly, a leading orthopedic surgeon at the Hospital for Special Surgery and an expert in hip preservation. According to Thomas, Kelly prescribed rest rather than surgery and asked him to return for another MRI in six weeks, when inflammation diminished. Thomas, a regular at Seattle’s renowned pick-up runs, wasn’t even allowed to shoot with Jamal Crawford.
Thomas is traveling with the team during the preseason. “We told him to stay engaged,” Crowder said of Thomas. “He wants to be out there so bad. But he has to stay engaged. I think it helped him this past week. Because he was down on himself. It’s the injury, man. Nothing you can do. I know ‘Bron does a good job of telling him to stay engaged, watch practice and plays, so when you do come back, you hit the ground running.”
One source with direct knowledge of Thomas’ hip condition told The Athletic last week that he is dealing with more than just a tear. Some of those secondary issues in the hip he has played with for years now, such as a loss of cartilage and some arthritis, are complicating his healing process.
Dave McMenamin: Koby Altman on Thomas: “Our plan is a non-surgical plan.” IT: “Y’all hear that? Everybody wants to be doctors now.”
Chris Mannix: Altman: “The goal is to bring him back at some point this year and be healthy, compete and get back to IT status.”
Brian Robb: Koby Altman: “I don’t want this to be the Isaiah Thomas hip press conference.” Cuts off more hip questions.
Chris Mannix: Thomas says he is getting treatment every day and working out in the weight room. That’s it.
Kristian Winfield: Koby Altman on plan w/o Isaiah Thomas: “We’re very fortunate to have signed Derrick Rose and we also have Jose Calderon.”
If Isaiah Thomas were to choose to go under the knife, the timetable may not be ideal for the Cavs. The average recovery time after a labral repair surgery is just more than six months. Such a time frame would put Thomas back on the court in mid-March if he received surgery tomorrow. But recoveries from surgery have lasted as long as 10 months, as was the case with Wilson Chandler in 2015 (his second labral tear repair in a four-year span). Each day that Thomas delays could make the situation worse. For a 32-year-old LeBron James hell-bent on dethroning the Golden State Warriors — and doing so without the help of Kyrie Irving — this is not a workable situation.
Though Isaiah Thomas’ hip condition was only made public in May, league sources told ESPN.com that the Celtics organization was not certain exactly when the labral tear occurred or precisely how long the tear had been there. The Towns collision on March 15 was one possible aggravation point, but the initial timing of the tear remains unclear.
According to Ochiai, surgery would likely keep Thomas out three or four months. “Sometimes it’s longer, but in general three months,” Ochiai said. “I’ve done some high-level athletes that have come back quicker. It all depends on what the gliding cartilage looks like.”
Orthopedic hip surgeon Derek Ochiai offered potential scenarios for Thomas in his return. “When you have a labral tear from impingement, that means that the way that Isaiah Thomas’s hip is shaped, it’s shaped in a way that’s not round,” Ochiai said. “In certain positions, his hip is not round on round. That’s why it’s called impingement, the bone will impinge because it’s not a round-on-round joint. Once you tear your labrum from that, that’s the most common cause of labral tears in any athlete, that tear is not going to heal. It’s always going to be torn, the question is how do you treat that? “And there are some high-level athletes who are playing professional sports right now who have labral tears from impingement who are doing fine.”
According to a report from The Athletic, Thomas’ recovery and health status — a clear point of contention in negotiations that ultimately landed the Cavs an extra draft pick to sweeten the deal — could drag on as long as the All-Star break. “No one is willing to put a timeline on when Thomas might return to the court. The fact he isn’t running yet certainly is not a good sign. One source with experience dealing with the type of hip problems Thomas is facing predicted it could be January or even the All-Star break before Thomas returns to game action. That doesn’t leave much time for a new player to establish chemistry and rhythm with a team trying to compete for a championship.”
So, we spoke with Terry — who’s super tight with Thomas — and he essentially told Cavs fans to CHILLLLLLL … the hip is solid. In fact, Terry says Isaiah is so good, the Cavs should build the whole team around him if LeBron James bails again … and if that happens, “The Brink’s truck WILL come out.”
Gilbert’s fingerprints were all over the drama that’s unfolded over the past week. Thomas’s health is what held up the deal, but according to multiple league sources with knowledge of Cleveland’s thought process, the unprotected Nets pick and Crowder were the pieces that Cleveland valued the most—those were the assets that got the deal done, not Thomas. The perception of the trade was that the Cavaliers and Celtics swapped franchise point guards, but for the Cleveland front office (and its owner), Thomas was the icing, not the cake.
David Aldridge: Cavaliers valued Brooklyn ’18 pick too much to potentially blow up deal w/ Boston. Question now is how long Thomas will be out.
The Cleveland-Boston standoff over Isaiah Thomas’s health also signaled the rest of the league: The bidding for Kyrie Irving is still open. It looks unlikely the Cleveland Cavaliers will pry a better haul than the Boston Celtics’ standing offer of Thomas, Jae Crowder, Ante Zizic and the Brooklyn Nets’ unprotected pick in the 2018 draft — even with Thomas’ status so uncertain due to a lingering hip injury. That may embolden Boston to draw the line at one or two more second-round picks after Cleveland finally asked them Tuesday night for extra compensation.
Boston was forthright about the injury in talks with Cleveland before the teams agreed to a trade on Aug. 22, sources say, but Cleveland’s doctors may come to a different conclusion about Thomas’ prognosis for the coming season — the last before LeBron James enters free agency as a flight risk again. If recovery from various hip ailments, including a bone bruise, does not proceed smoothly, there is at least a slight chance Thomas would miss most of the 2017-18 season, sources say. (Thomas disagrees.)
All-Star point guard Isaiah Thomas believes he will fully recover from a right hip injury that has threatened to void his recent trade to Cleveland. Thomas, who was dealt by the Boston Celtics to the Cavaliers last week for star Kyrie Irving, told ESPN he has made progress in his recovery. “I am not damaged,” the 28-year-old said. “I’ll be back, and I’ll be the same player.”
Thomas told ESPN that doctors said his torn labrum will not affect how long he plays. However, Thomas did indicate he may not be ready for the start of the season. “There’s never been an indication that I wouldn’t be back, and there’s never been an indication that this is something messing up my career,” he said. “Maybe I am not going to be back as soon this season as everyone wants me to be, but I’m going to be back, and I’m going to be the same player again. No doctor has told me anything different than that.”
“I haven’t had one doctor tell me that this injury is going to hurt my career,” Thomas said in the ESPN interview. “Surgery was not the best option in this case. I aggravated it in March when (Minnesota’s) Karl-Anthony Towns fell on me. I kept playing on it and making it worse — until I couldn’t play anymore last season.”
Cleveland and Boston officials started to engage each other on a solution on Tuesday, league sources told ESPN. Cleveland is no longer seeking one of the Celtics’ top young players or significant draft picks, league sources said. The Cavaliers could be inclined to complete the deal for a late first-round pick or second-round considerations, league sources said.
All-Star guard Isaiah Thomas told ESPN that he has made significant progress with his injured hip toward a return in the 2017-18 season and has a message for NBA teams doubting his long-term prognosis. “I am not damaged,” Thomas told ESPN on Tuesday. “I’ll be back, and I’ll be the same player.”
“There’s never been an indication that I wouldn’t be back, and there’s never been an indication that this is something messing up my career,” Thomas told ESPN. “Maybe I am not going to be back as soon this season as everyone wants me to be, but I’m going to be back, and I’m going to be the same player again. No doctor has told me anything different than that.”
Thomas has been in consistent contact with Cavaliers officials since his physical on Friday in Cleveland, he said. “I don’t know what [the organization] is doing,” Thomas told ESPN. “It’s out of my control. I just want to talk about what I can control, and I know that this (hip) won’t be a problem into the future.”
If Cleveland really does want more in exchange for Kyrie Irving, the Celtics don’t know the specifics. There has been no contact between the two teams since multiple reports surfaced that the Cavaliers, alarmed by the results of Isaiah Thomas’ physical last Friday, now want more in exchange for Irving.
The Celtics are said to have no contingency plan in place — due to the lack of contact — and no plan to either include another asset to make the trade go through or to draw a line and refuse further compensation.
The Celtics medical staff, headed by Dr. Brian McKeon, was in extensive contact with its Cleveland counterpart in the days leading up to the Aug. 22 trade, with an equally extensive exchange of information stemming from Thomas’ recovery from a torn labrum in his right hip.
Steve Bulpett of the Boston Herald on The Vertical Podcast with Chris Mannix (hat tip: Tom Westerholm of MassLive): “My read is actually from the Cleveland side, and what I hear from there is that nothing they’ve found is anything different than what was conveyed to the Cavaliers in the trade discussions, and certainly in the medical information that was passed forward.”
“Boston is resisting, and will initially at least, resist this idea,” Wojnarowski said. “Boston believes that it was completely transparent with Cleveland about where Thomas was physically, his rehab. Cleveland’s version of this is that they didn’t realize how long Thomas could potentially be out this season, he’s in the final year of his contract, and obviously, that matches up with what will likely be the final year of LeBron’s current deal, and so there’s going to be a showdown between these two teams that may last a couple more days.”
Adrian Wojnarowski: “It puts Isaiah Thomas in a really difficult place. He’s gonna be a free agent at the end of this season and he’s looking for the biggest financial score of his career. And both teams dragging him through this is really unfair to his future because he may very well get through and be fully recovered when he gets into free agency next year. The focus is really on how soon can he play this season. But it’s certainly damaging his value around the league, and probably unfairly so.”
After Cleveland’s physical examination of Isaiah Thomas’ injured hip raised concern about the timeline for his return this season, Cavaliers officials are planning to seek an additional trade asset before finalizing a deal to send four-time All-Star guard Kyrie Irving to the Boston Celtics, league sources told ESPN. Without revisions to the original trade agreement, the Cavaliers could threaten to veto the trade, league sources said.
The Cavaliers’ stance could trigger a standoff between Cleveland and Boston officials, forcing both organizations to weigh the consequences of letting blockbuster trade implode. The deadline to report and submit to a physical for the players involved in the trade is 10 a.m. on Wednesday, and the deadline to pass the physical is 10 a.m. on Thursday, per league rules.
A Cavs source said the two sides need to reach a conclusion by Wednesday evening or mutually agree to extend the deadline. Though the Cavs could void the trade based on Thomas’ injury, sources still expect a deal to get done.
If both teams mutually agree to extend the deadline, they can. Once the sides re-engage, Cavaliers officials may try to make the case that Boston undersold them on the scope of the Thomas injury, and more specifically, how soon Thomas could be prepared to play this season, league sources said. The sides did discuss and share information on Thomas’s injury, sources said.
Because Thomas is in the final year of his contract — which coincides with LeBron James’ opt-out next summer — Cleveland has an urgency to get Thomas on the court this year. All along, Boston has believed it was clear in its assessment of Thomas’ physical status and that information was communicated to the Cavaliers in the conversations prior to Tuesday’s trade, league sources said. In a telephone conference call with reporters after the trade was announced, Celtics GM Danny Ainge admitted that Thomas’ physical condition played “some” role in trading Thomas to Cleveland as part of the Irving package.
Chris Mannix: Boston believes it was completely transparent w/Cleveland on IT’s hip injury, per sources. Expect Celtics to strongly resist any sweetener.
The Cavaliers are indeed pausing to consider a “concern that we have” regarding Isaiah Thomas’ right hip, a source told cleveland.com, while Kyrie Irving is undergoing his physical today in Boston. Two sources with knowledge of the Cavs’ thinking said the team is conducting a “very deep and thorough review process” on Thomas, whom Cleveland acquired Tuesday in a blockbuster trade along with Jae Crowder, Ante Zizic, and the Brooklyn No. 1 pick for Irving.
In the aftermath of issues resulting from Isaiah Thomas’ physical examination on Friday, the Cleveland Cavaliers and Boston Celtics are planning a telephone call for Saturday to discuss the status of the teams’ blockbuster trade, league sources told ESPN. The proposed deal sending Cleveland’s four-time All-Star guard Kyrie Irving to the Celtics for Thomas, Jae Crowder, Ante Zizic and a 2018 first-round pick via Brooklyn has been thrust into uncertainty with medical questions surrounding Thomas’ injured hip, league sources told ESPN.
It is possible that Cleveland could request further compensation from Boston before it’ll approve the trade, league sources said. Cleveland has until Thursday to make a final decision on approving the trade, sources said. Cleveland can veto the deal based on a failed physical, sending players back to their respective teams. Thomas took the exam in Cleveland on Friday before flying back home to the West Coast, league sources said. “It’s very sensitive situation,” one source involved in the process told ESPN.
Irving, who had requested a trade from Cleveland, is set to take his physical with the Celtics on Saturday, league sources said. Thomas has been rehabilitating a hip injury that ended his season in the Eastern Conference Finals, and sources have told ESPN that the All-Star guard has yet to begin a regimen of running this offseason.
Kyle Draper: This #Cavs #Celtics situation is wild. My guess. #Celtics doctors said IT does NOT need surgery. #Cavs doctors feel otherwise.
Two people with knowledge of the situation say the Cleveland Cavaliers are doing a “deep and thorough” review of their blockbuster trade that sent All-Star guard Kyrie Irving to the Boston Celtics. They spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity Saturday because the team is not publicly discussing its plans.
The Cleveland Cavaliers are concerned about the health of point guard Isaiah Thomas’ right hip, according to ESPN, jeopardizing the blockbuster trade with the Boston Celtics that sent Thomas, forward Jae Crowder, center Ante Zizic and a first-round pick to the Cavaliers for point guard Kyrie Irving. Thomas took a physical in Cleveland on Friday, and the results have given the Cavs pause on proceeding with the deal.
Adrian Wojnarowski: Thomas traveled to Cleveland, took exam and flew back out of town, sources said. All players must pass physical, or a deal can be voided.
Isaiah Thomas has seven days to report to the Cavs, whose highly regarded medical staff will be waiting to examine Thomas, who also will visit a renowned hip specialist at the Cleveland Clinic. Celtics president Danny Ainge told reporters that Thomas’ hip injury, which caused him to miss the final three games of the Eastern Conference finals after having played on a torn labrum, would mean “probably a little bit of delay” as to when the All-Star point guard will be ready to suit up for the 2017-18 season.
Sirius XM NBA: Kevin McHale thinks it is “scary” that Isaiah Thomas hasn’t been cleared for basketball activities yet- McHale on IT hip injury
Adrian Wojnarowski: Boston has believed rest + rehab would return Thomas’ hip to a full recovery. Cavs plan to monitor closely, anxious to give him physical.
Jeff Goodman: There was significant concern from Celtics about Isaiah Thomas’ hip, source told ESPN. Turning 29, game is built on speed.
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Chris Haynes: Milwaukee Bucks plan to sign guard Sean Kilpatrick, league sources tell ESPN. Brooklyn released him last week to make room for Jahlil Okafor trade.
Chris Haynes: Milwaukee plans to waive guard Gary Payton II in the coming days, league sources tell ESPN. His 45 days of service as a two-way player ends Monday. Payton II started six games for Bucks. This is not a popular move within the locker room.
Matt Velazquez: Can confirm @Chris Haynes report that Bucks plan to waive Gary Payton II on Mon. as his days of service run out. Per source, Bucks have their eye on another player to take his spot and need to move quickly to get him. New player on two-way would get pro-rated days (30ish) in NBA.
Anthony took the court to the cheers of the crowd without having to worry about cutaway reaction shots of Phil Jackson hovering above him. With hoody in place Anthony stepped from the bench as a visitor at Madison Square Garden, the warmup and hood hiding any sign of emotion from the crowd. “(There) wasn’t a tear,” Anthony said. “I was actually surprised that it happened. I was just getting ready for my name to be called, looking down and everything just stopped and the video came on. It’s a bittersweet feeling for me. Coming back here, knowing the goals that I had, what I wanted to accomplish here and falling short in that category. Also being on the flip side now, being on another team. It was a bittersweet situation for me.”
Fred Katz: Melo on his role: “That’s what we have to figure out, what we have to nail down as far as the roles that we all have on this team. I think until we kinda figure that part out, we will continue having these ups and down, having good games and bad games, relying just on our talent”