A person with knowledge of the meeting said it was requ…

A person with knowledge of the meeting said it was requested by the Porzingis brothers — after they had canceled a similar meeting earlier in January — and that it lasted less than five minutes. Later in the day, according to the person, Janis Porzingis provided the Knicks with a list of four teams he and Kristaps had deemed acceptable trade destinations. The Nets and the Los Angeles Clippers were among those teams, but Dallas was not on the list. The Knicks, meanwhile, were told Porzingis was prepared to leave the team and continue his knee rehabilitation in Spain if he was not moved by this week’s league trade deadline.

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Barring a change of plans, he will not make his Dallas debut until the 2019-20 season opener. "I feel great, feel great, but as I said, we're taking our time," Porzingis said. "There's no rush. I've been patient this whole time, and I'm going to keep staying patient, which is one of the hardest things for me to do. We're going to make the right decisions."
Kristaps Porzingis will not play in any games for the Dallas Mavericks at any point this season. So said Mavs owner Mark Cuban. “We will hold him and get him ready,” Cuban told Mavs. com, referring to next season.
The Mavs don’t want to prematurely play Porzingis and jeopardize him having a setback or getting hurt again. “Guys nowadays come off ACLs and actually do better,” Carlisle said. “So (getting Porzingis healthy is) going to be our number one goal. But it’s a huge trade involving a lot of guys and the excitement is understandable. But it’s not all going to happen overnight.”
Tim MacMahon: Kristaps Porzingis probably will not play for the Mavericks this season as he continues his recovery from a torn ACL in his left knee suffered a year ago, Dallas owner Mark Cuban told ESPN.
As the Knicks descended to the worst team in the NBA this season, Porzingis expressed dismay recently to teammates Courtney Lee, Enes Kanter and others, according to a source. Porzingis, who hasn’t played in almost a year because of ACL surgery, is “essentially cleared to play,” a source told the Daily News, but was concerned about how the Knicks would handle his potential return during their tank job.
That Kristaps Porzingis did not travel across the pond to be a Knicks ambassador on their London sojourn is a good sign for those wanting to see him hit the hardwood this season. Porzingis loves Europe and spent all five months of his offseason rehabbing his knee in Spain and Latvia, instead of remaining in New York at the Hospital for Special Surgery.
A rumor floated last week that the Knicks prefer for him to sit out the season while Porzingis wants to play, creating tension. According to a source close to the situation, it is an off-base premise. The source said Knicks management wants him back — as long as Porzingis is mentally and physically ready to go.
Ian Begley: David Fizdale says Kristaps Porzingis is in a ‘really good groove’ right now with his rehab workouts. He said Porzingis is starting to get stronger and his movement and mobility looks good. He’s been working with Knicks assistant Kaleb Canales in his on-court work with coaches: pic.twitter.com/jJKDOImNTl
Kristaps Porzingis’ return date remains uncertain. That won’t change for some time. He is scheduled to be evaluated again in mid-February. His return from a torn ACL wouldn’t come before then. It may not even come until next season. When David Fizdale watched his star’s individual workout Friday, the coach had to remind himself of all of that. It was hard to accept that the All-Star throwing down dunks, and shooting 3-pointers, might not be available to him this season.
“Today, I walked by and just put my hand up [in front of my face] because it’s just for me, it’s like, ‘God, I’ve got this 7-foot beast here,’” Fizdale said. “[Porzingis] started laughing. He said, ‘Don’t look, coach. Don’t look.’ But he’s progressing, and I think he’s in a really good place right now.”
While watching Porzingis work with assistant coach Kaleb Canales, Fizdale said he’s seen little hint of the injury which has kept the Knicks’ franchise player out all season, and praised his ability to maintain a “positive” mindset. “I don’t see a drop. That I don’t see. I haven’t seen him move in a way that makes me go, ‘Uh oh,’ ” Fizdale said before Friday’s game against the Pacers. “I think we’re going about it the right way. His body looks great. He looks strong. He’s defined. It’s just a matter of time, and when we get him, we’ll be happy.”
Knicks head coach David Fizdale says he doesn't expect Porzingis to return to practice any time soon. But he's been effusive in his praise of Porzingis' leadership during this rehab. "I'm so happy with him under the circumstances," Fizdale said. "I know it's killing him to not play. But he's in there [at the practice facility] every day rooting these guys on."
Thomas said Porzingis has “the itch.’’ On Friday, the Knicks released a statement that Porzingis, after the latest round of strength tests, will be reevaluated in mid-February. As such, he won’t return until after the All-Star Break in late February, at earliest. “He’s working really hard, man,’’ Thomas told The Post after Mills’ meeting with the media. “He’s in there before everybody. He’s there when everybody leaves. While we practice, he just has that itch. You can just tell — seeing us compete so hard in practice. He comes to me and says, ‘Man, I can’t wait. I got the itch.’ He grabs a basketball on the side and starts dribbling it. He’s working really hard. I know he’s very anxious getting back on the court.”
Mike Vorkunov: Asked if Kristaps Porzingis will practice with the Knicks soon, David Fizdale says no. Says mid-February is the next evaluation. That'll be about a year removed from tearing his ACL.
Porzingis, who tore the anterior cruciate ligament in his left knee on Feb. 6, recently had an evaluation by the team's medical staff. The evaluation confirmed that Porzingis' knee is healing well and once when the forward reaches remaining rehab benchmarks, Porzingis will advance to on-court team drills and activities. Porzingis will be re-evaluated again in mid-February.
"I think we would like him to play and hope that he plays as soon as he’s comfortable playing," Mills said. "One thing we’d like him to get on the court, we’d love to see him play, but we also acknowledge that he is a really, really important part of the long-term future of this franchise. And the one thing we’re not going to do is take any real risk with a 22-year-old player in his position."
In late September, Porzingis advised caution in saying a 7-foot-3 pro athlete has never sustained such an injury. But he said he would be back when he passes his strength tests. Sources, however, caution Porzingis’ return is based on his mental health, too — on when he feels comfortable playing on the knee.
Fizdale was less definitive about whether Porzingis is coming back this season. “I don’t think it’s at that place [of returning to practice],” Fizdale said. “At some point, I would think. I know he’s feeling better. Obviously his progress, we’re all excited about every step he takes forward. The trainers are keeping me in the loop as possible while letting me focus at the same time so I don’t get my hopes up for [Porzingis] too soon. But hopefully, the sooner the better.”
Regarding the alleged contact drills, Fizdale said Porzingis is not performing them against Knicks players but the training staff. “We’re still going to stay with the idea that until it feels 100 percent to he, I and the Knicks, that we’re not going to put him in jeopardy to get hurt again,” Fizdale said. “We want to do it the right way by him and also the best thing for our team.”
New York Knicks coach David Fizdale said on Friday that he wasn't aware that Kristaps Porzingis had been sprinting as part of his rehab from last season's ACL surgery, after Fizdale's comments the day before led to a misunderstanding that left Porzingis frustrated over the perception of his recovery. On Thursday, Fizdale said that the All-Star big man hadn't begun sprinting and that he hadn't made significant progress since the start of training camp. Once the coach's comments were reported in the media, Porzingis took to Instagram, posting two pictures of himself sprinting on an outdoor track.
Fizdale said he discussed the issue with Porzingis on Friday morning at the team practice facility and that player and coach are now on the same page. "We had a great talk about it. He's working his tail off," Fizdale said. "I think how he took (media reports of Fizdale's comments on Thursday) was that people thought he wasn't busting his hump, he took it personally. It got to him that people would think that. "I think maybe when he heard me say, 'Hey we're taking it slow' and all of that stuff -- that's what we're doing -- but at the same time he (doesn't) want people thinking that he's not busting his hump because he's killing it," the coach added.
Fizdale on Friday said that he's in a "good place" with Porzingis after they spoke in the morning. "We're fine. KP is great.... He was in here (during Friday's practice) running around with the guys, yelling at them, getting on them about timing and rhythm and defense," the coach said.
Ian Begley: David Fizdale said he thought Kristaps Porzingis’ Instagram post was a result of frustration over the perception that he wasn’t working hard during his ACL rehab. “He took it personally. It got to him that people would think that.” Again, Fizdale and Porzingis spoke this morning.
Knicks coach David Fizdale said Thursday that injured All-Star Kristaps Porzingis was at the stage of light running -- but not sprinting -- in his rehab from last season's ACL injury. Once the coach's comments were reported in the media, Porzingis took to Instagram, posting two pictures of himself sprinting on an outdoor track.
While Porzingis continues his recovery process, there is still no timetable for his return. Fizdale reiterated Thursday that the Knicks are going to take their time with the process to make sure Porzingis is fully recovered. "Nothing new," Fizdale said. "He’s working his butt off but nothing new." Fizdale said Porzingis is still doing light running, not yet to the point where he can sprint.
Porzingis' recovery continues. A return date is still unknown. Fizdale isn't thinking about when it could happen. "Just mentally for me, that’s somewhere else," Fizdale said. "I don’t want to get distracted personally as the coach, worried about if and when he’s coming back. I’d rather be focused on the day to day task with these guys and when he gets back that’ll just be a gift for me."
A week before the season starts and eight months since his ACL surgery, Kristaps Porzingis’ progress remains limited to a “slow drip” that’s frustrating the All-Star, according to Knicks coach David Fizdale. In other words, Porzingis is still not sprinting and his recovery timetable has not been affected by the start of training camp. He has not ruled out sitting out the entire season. “He’s feeling better every day, but it’s still that frustrating slow drip for him,” the coach said.
“My focus with him mainly is leadership, being present, helping the young big guys,” Fizdale said. “Talking to the young guards about what what they should be looking for. Taking guys to eat, spending time with them and things like that. He’s been doing that, it’s been great. And he heals when he heals.”
Porzingis is not playing as he recovers from a torn left ACL but he is with the team and active during practice. Tuesday, he was passing, rebounding, and coaching on the court. Fizdale wants to “surround him with a lot of love and keep his spirits up because he really wants to be out here with us.” “He’s such a big part of what we do,” Fizdale said. “A guy that’s that talented, what they see helps others. Maybe his body can’t do it right now but his mind and other aspects of service he can really help this group. That’s what he wants to do.”
Porzingis was on the floor with the team, but unable to participate in any way other than offering his own aid in experience. “He was in every aspect of our practice today,” Knicks coach David Fizdale said. “If he wasn’t passing to a guy he was rebounding for a guy, coaching a guy or he was talking to a coach on what we were doing. It was fun to watch him get engaged with the guys. It’s a tough time for him. So we’re going to surround him with a lot of love and keep his spirits up because he really wants to be out there with us.”
Porzingis did a little shooting, although Fizdale was reluctant to call what he saw jump shots. “Not really jumping. Just light. He’s probably getting off the ground that high,” Fizdale said, putting his fingers less than an inch apart.
Barbara Barker: Porzingis says “I’m hungry and I want to be back on court as soon as possible.” Adds it won’t happen until he’s 110 percent. pic.twitter.com/SxpbiQNJbc

"It's already happening," Fizdale told Channel 4 New York's Bruce Beck. "Kristaps (Porzingis) will come back healthy. He was already having a big time season last year when he got knocked down. We had an awesome draft with Kevin Knox, Mitchell Robinson, and Allonzo Trier - our two-way player.”
Tommy Beer: Knicks are celebrating “Latvian Heritage Night” at Madison Square Garden on February 24th, one week after the All-Star break. Safe to assume Kristaps Porzingis will make sure he’s available to play in that game.
On Sunday, Porzingis released the third installment of his online documentary titled, “Porzingis’ Comeback.” He explained his decision to train at Real Madrid. “They allowed us to use their stuff for the rehab,” Porzingis said. “I chose Madrid because I was looking at different options and this one was the best for me because of their facilities obviously and just overall what they have available here is one of the top in the world.”
On Sunday, Porzingis released the third installment of his online documentary titled, “Porzingis’ Comeback.” He explained his decision to train at Real Madrid. “They allowed us to use their stuff for the rehab,” Porzingis said. “I chose Madrid because I was looking at different options and this one was the best for me because of their facilities obviously and just overall what they have available here is one of the top in the world.”
Porzingis is also working in Madrid with Larry Sanders, a Michigan-based athletic performance coach who works with the basketball program at Madonna University. Sanders said a big focus is getting both of Porzingis’ feet to explode equally. “He’s going to come back a different monster,” Sanders said in the installment. “His skills are more like a small forward. He was hard to deal with before, but he’ll be much harder to deal with after. He’s got the sense of urgency of a veteran going after his last contract.”
New New York Knicks coach David Fizdale said he's had a chance to get to know Kristaps Porzingis well during a visit with the All-Star forward in his home country of Latvia. "The NBA is a small world and you kinda know people from afar. But this trip is more about getting to know him intimately. Know his family, know where he's from, kinda get to see what made him 'Kristaps,'" Fizdale said in an interview with Latvian television network LSM.
"We've talked about his rehab. We've talked about how we want to play, our style of play. Talked a lot about the culture that we're building. We wanna make sure that he comes back strong and healthy (from his ACL surgery) and we don't want to rush it. We've had some really good conversations," Fizdale said. "We talked about the kids we drafted (Kevin Knox and Mitchell Robinson). I've tried to make sure that he's -- we've been in communication on every decision that we've made."

Porzingis is currently in his home country of Latvia rehabbing an ACL injury that is expected to sideline him for a significant portion of the 2018-19 season. Mills said that he'd have a better idea about a timetable for Porzingis' return in September. The team president added that he expects Porzingis to play next year but didn't explicitly rule out the possibility of him sitting out the entire season.
On Kristaps Porzingis' potential five-year, $157 million extension, Frazier says the club is ‘in a real quagmire' over the uncertainty regarding Porzingis' health in the wake of his ACL tear. "The Knicks have been burned so often with paying guys and then they don't produce. Will he return to his normal form? It's tough to tell."
Kristaps Porzingis: Felt great today 🙌🏼

Kristaps did not attend the meeting and instead remains in Madrid, Spain continuing his rehabilitation from left knee surgery. Fizdale is still hoping to meet face-to-face with Kristaps in Latvia at some point this summer. Phil Jackson, Jeff Hornacek, Steve Mills and Scott Perry never traveled to the home country of the team's top player.
Kristaps Porzingis has not been doing most of his ACL rehab in Latvia as previously thought, but secretly working in Spain with Real Madrid, according to multiple sources. Porzingis has conducted much of his offseason rehab in Madrid at its training facility that houses its superpower basketball and soccer clubs.
After his exit meeting, Porzingis flew to his homeland in Leipaja, Latvia but believes he’s in good hands in Spain, where he played three seasons in the Spanish League and speaks the language fluently. “KP is doing great in Madrid,’’ said Carlon Colker, Porzingis’ performance doctor based in Greenwich, Conn. “His aggressive rehab is at a jaw-dropping rate. In conjunction, his body is already looking beastly. By September, he’ll be almost non-recognizable with his shirt off. We’re working on increasing his lean muscle mass and also training for a functionality and ruggedness to compliment his game.’’
Knicks general manager Scott Perry said there still is no timetable for Kristaps Porzingis’ return from a torn left ACL. Perry said the Knicks would know better late summer August when Porzingis might come back. “I don’t think there’s a determination to be made,” Perry said. “Six, seven months out, you have a better chance to have a better time window. “You talk to most medical doctors, you really can’t pinpoint how many months it’s going to be. [You have] a better estimate six, seven months out after surgery is completed. So who knows when that will be?”
Count Knicks legend and current broadcaster Walt Frazier among those who don't think Kristaps Porzingis will play next season after tearing his ACL. "I don't see him playing next season," Frazier told SNY's Justine Ward on Tuesday. "I think they might sit him out. They had mentioned 10 months, so that's somewhere around January, February. Unless the Knicks are in the playoff hunt, I don't see them perhaps bringing him back next year."
Ian Begley: Joel Embiid returned from significant injury to play at a high level. He was asked if he has any advice for Kristaps Porzingis. Embiid said the time he spent rehabbing helped him develop his game & his body. He says Porzingis can do the same, then offers some playful trash talk: pic.twitter.com/8MyksPh8Y1

Dolan, of course, was referring to Kristaps Porzingis, the 22-year-old wonder child who sustained a torn left ACL on Feb. 6 that ended his season, and whose recovery from surgery will sideline him for an indefinite period of time. “I’ve been told everything from December to him being out for the season, so I don’t know what to expect on that,” Dolan said. “But we can’t just sit on our ass while he’s away. We need to develop a team and then integrate him into it when he comes back.”
What have you been doing when you're not rehabbing? Have you been playing Fortnite? [Laughs.] No, not really. I've played a little of [PUBG], a similar game I guess. I've been super focused on rehab, making sure I do everything right. We have sessions two to three times a day, I've been eating right, all those things. Recovering my knee is my main focus right now.
Ian Begley: On the swelling in his elbow that bothered him for significant portions of last season, Kristaps Porzingis said on Saturday that the general feeling is that it has healed well and that there is no need to undergo a surgical procedure to fix anything. twitter.com/khaleel728/sta…
Porzingis was asked whether he has given thought to sitting out all of next season. His answer: “It was tough for me to sit out these couple of months, the last couple months or whatever it was of the season. It’s hard because I don’t know when I’m going to be healthy. I don’t want to go too far ahead. I want to be in the moment then when it comes closer, it’ll all be clear.”
Ian Begley: Kristaps Porzingis was asked if his contract situation - he's up for an extension this summer - would impact anything regarding his decision to return next season from his ACL injury. He said it would not.
Adam Zagoria: Perry and Mills say they've been in constant contact with Kristaps Porzingis through his ACL injury. "He's in great spirits about how the rehab is going and about his prospects of coming back, so we feel good about that as well." - Mills @SNYtv @theknicksblog
Perry, who was hired as GM in July, will have the ability to find a coach with whom he finds alignment. The Knicks are determined to stay the course on drafting and player development as they as await the return of All-Star center Kristaps Porzingis, who isn't expected to return until midway through next season as he recovers from a torn ACL.
Kristaps Porzingis moved well and without a limp as he walked onto the court Saturday night. It was a good sign for a franchise desperately in need of one. Porzingis, who is nearly two months removed from undergoing surgery to repair a torn left ACL, didn’t seem to be favoring the leg as he made his way to center court at Madison Square Garden. Porzingis said hello as he whisked by reporters. He didn’t stop because someone far more important was waiting. Latvian President Raimonds Vejonis was in attendance on Latvian Heritage Night. Porzingis presented Vejonis a personalized jersey and sneakers before the game. The two shook hands and posed for photos.
Al Iannazzone: Kristaps Porzingis is attending his second game since tearing his ACL. It's Latvian Heritage night at MSG. The president of Latvia Raimonds Vejonis is here also. He and Porzingis shook hands at midcourt.
Ian Begley: It's Latvian Heritage night at Madison Square Garden. We’ve already seen several Latvian National Team jerseys. Kristaps Porzingis is expected to be on hand tonight.

Regarding free agency going forward, Hornacek believes the Knicks will receive greater consideration from players because of Kristaps Porzingis. “You’ve got to look at, ‘Are we ready next year?’ With KP coming back probably a little later, no. But the pieces are being laid down,” Hornacek said. “You have Porzingis, and a lot of guys around the league have talked about wanting to play with him. They know he’s a great player.”
Dr. Carlon Colker is bubbling with muscles and with optimism regarding his difficult task in resculpting Kristaps Porzingis for next season. “Despite the talk, ‘The sky is falling, he’ll never be the same,’ that’s a bunch of horse s–t,’’ Colker told The Post. “He’ll be better than ever. He’s going to be blow people away. If you’re around people who know what they’re doing, it’s not the end of the world. It’s the end of the world if you have the wrong people around you.”
Colker works independently of the Knicks, but keeps in contact with their knee specialists. “My speciality is power — physical power and base and connection to power,’’ said Colker, whose former clients include Shaquille O’Neal, Allan Houston and Andre Agassi. “Whether swinging a racket or a big man moving in the low post, it’s a connection to the base and hips.’’
Colker is part of an aggressive faction regarding ACL timetables. While the Knicks likely won’t let Porzingis play until around Christmas (the 10-month mark) at the earliest, Colker says he’ll have him ready for opening night. Knicks brass is aware of Porzingis’ relationship with Colker. Porzingis and Colker met late last season to take care of a recurring shoulder ailment. Colker implemented an offseason conditioning plan and visited Porzingis in Latvia for two weeks over the summer.
Ian Begley: Steve Clifford on Jeff Hornacek: “He’s a very good coach. He’s done a good job. You can’t lose (Kristaps) Porzingis and then, to me, start judging the coach.” I understand Clifford’s point re: injuries & think NYK will take that into account when evaluating Hornacek at year’s end

Donovan Mitchell: Shoutout to @Kristaps Porzingis for the gift!! Appreciate it bro get [healthy] soon 🙏🏾💯 Kristaps Porzingis: 🙏🏼
Injured New York Knicks star Kristaps Porzingis has no specific timetable for his return from ACL surgery, but he's confident that he'll eventually return to All-Star form once he gets back on the court. "I believe that I'm going to come back better and stronger," Porzingis said Tuesday in his first public comments since he suffered a torn left ACL in early February.
Ian Begley: Kristaps Porzingis says no specific timetable for his return yet. He was expected to be out at least 10 months following surgery.
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Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: "There’s no room for players who do not want to get vaccinated"

“The NBA should insist that all players and staff are vaccinated or remove them from the team,” NBA legend Kareem Abdul-Jabbar tells Rolling Stone. “There is no room for players who are willing to risk the health and lives of their teammates, the staff and the fans simply because they are unable to grasp the seriousness of the situation or do the necessary research. What I find especially disingenuous about the vaccine deniers is their arrogance at disbelieving immunology and other medical experts. Yet, if their child was sick or they themselves needed emergency medical treatment, how quickly would they do exactly what those same experts told them to do?”
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Kyrie Irving following and liking conspiracy theories about COVID-19 vaccines

Irving, who serves as a vice president on the executive committee of the players’ union, recently started following and liking Instagram posts from a conspiracy theorist who claims that “secret societies” are implanting vaccines in a plot to connect Black people to a master computer for “a plan of Satan.” This Moderna microchip misinformation campaign has spread across multiple NBA locker rooms and group chats, according to several of the dozen-plus current players, Hall-of-Famers, league executives, arena workers and virologists interviewed for this story over the past week.
“There are so many other players outside of him who are opting out, I would like to think they would make a way,” says Kyrie’s aunt, Tyki Irving, who runs the seven-time All-Star’s family foundation and is one of the few people in his regular circle of advisors. “It could be like every third game. So it still gives you a full season of being interactive and being on the court, but with the limitations that they’re, of course, oppressing upon you. There can be some sort of formula where the NBA and the players can come to some sort of agreement.”
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At least 50 NBA players yet to receive a single COVID-19 vaccine dose?

A spokeswoman for Irving declined to respond to a list of questions regarding his vaccination and playing status, and Irving did not immediately respond to a message from Rolling Stone. But as teams return to pre-season training camps next week, fifty to sixty NBA players have yet to receive a single vaccine dose, league sources tell RS. Most are considered merely reluctant skeptics. Some of the holdouts, however, amount to their own shadow roster of anti-vaxxers mounting a behind-the-scenes resistance to Covid protocols — and the truth.
Isaac considers un-vaxxed players to be vilified and bullied, and he thinks “it’s an injustice” to automatically make heroes out of vaccinated celebrities. He rejects the NBA’s proposal for a vaccine mandate and social distancing for players like him during team travel: “You can play on the same court. We can touch the same ball. We can bump chests. We can do all those things on the court. And then when it comes to being on the bus, we have to be in different parts of the bus? To me, it doesn’t seem logically consistent. “If you are vaccinated, in other places you still have to wear the mask regardless. It’s like, ‘OK, then what is the mask necessarily for?’” Isaac continues. “And if Kyrie says that from his position of his executive power in the NBPA, then kudos to him.”
Enes Kanter — the veteran center, devout Muslim and outspoken liberal — senses a creep of the religious right upon his workplace, which just happens to involve players like Isaac sweating all over him and yelling in his face: “If a guy’s not getting vaccinated because of his religion, I feel like we are in a time where the religion and science has to go to together,” he tells RS. “I’ve talked to a lot of religious guys — I’m like: ‘It saves people’s lives, so what is more important than that?’”
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In their sit-down interview back in August, Durant and Green rehashed the incident and how it ultimately affected KD’s decision to leave the Warriors. Surprisingly, KD claimed it wasn’t the beef itself that pushed him away, but the way Steve Kerr, Bob Myers and the front office handled things. “It wasn’t the argument,” the former Warriors star said. “It was the way that everybody … Steve Kerr acted like it didn’t happen. Bob Myers tried to just discipline you and think that would put a mask over everything. I really felt that was such a big situation for us as a group, the first time we went through something like that. We had to get that s— all out.”