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The New York Knicks have acquired Derrick Rose, reuniting him with coach Tom Thibodeau for the third time, in exchange for Dennis Smith Jr. and a 2021 second-round pick (via Charlotte), according to multiple reports. HoopsHype spoke with four NBA scouts about their reaction to the trade and what it means for New York’s playoff chances and the development of rookie guard Immanuel Quickley.
“I like it,” a scout for an Eastern Conference team told HoopsHype. “Rose is one of coach Thibs’ favorites. They have been good matches for winning. It won’t affect Quickley much because he can play both guard spots. They won’t stunt his development, and the Knicks won’t fall out of the top ten.”
Thibodeau and Rose made it to the Eastern Conference Finals together in Chicago, and during the 2017-18 season, the duo helped Minnesota reach the playoffs for the first time since 2004. “I think Quickley fits well with Rose,” another scout for an Eastern Conference team told HoopsHype. “He’s a good off-the-ball shooter, and it takes a little of the pressure off as teams build their scouting report on him.”
“It’s a double-edged sword,” a longtime NBA scout told HoopsHype. “It’s going to affect Quickley’s minutes some, but he’s a rookie that can’t get too many and has still shown production. Rose can teach him some things which those other guards couldn’t. I think it’s a good thing. Smith wasn’t going to help.”
“I don’t understand why can’t they be patient, develop, and build?” one veteran scout for a Western Conference team told HoopsHype. “I’m not in love with the move. He is a Thibs guy, so that helps in the locker room. I’m just worried he would take minutes away from developing the guys who will be there when they are ready to compete. He is an upgrade, and they want to make the playoffs.”
Stefan Bondy: Jimmy Butler on Derrick Rose to the Knicks: “Thibs getting the band back together.”
Mike Vorkunov: Tom Thibodeau throws out a blanket no comment on any Knicks trade reports. Says that’s a Leon Rose question. Rose has talked to media just once in his 11 months as Knicks president so we’ll see if that ever gets to be a question for Leon Rose.
Bobby Marks: There is no risk from the perspective of Detroit with this trade. The Pistons get a free look at Dennis Smith Jr. over the next 4 months, receive a 2nd rd. pick likely in the 40’s and also save salary.
For Detroit, the trade fulfills its desires to get younger and add more assets. Smith, the No. 9 pick in the 2017 draft, started off his NBA career on the right foot. But after averaging 15.2 points as a rookie with the Mavericks, he has since struggled to find his way in the league. He was traded to the Knicks in 2019 and had been gearing up to play for their G League affiliate in the Orlando bubble.
Smith may provide point-guard depth to the Pistons for the rest of the season while rookie point guard Killian Hayes recovers from a labrum tear in his right hip. It’s an opportunity for Smith, who is in the final year of his rookie deal and will become an unrestricted free agent if his $7.7 million qualifying offer for next season isn’t matched. The Pistons will shed close to $2 million in salary in the Smith-Rose swap.
The real jewel of the trade for the Pistons is the draft pick. Sources tell The Athletic that the Pistons will likely receive Charlotte’s second-round pick, which New York owns, and is currently slotted at No. 40.
Knicks coach Tom Thibodeau is on the verge of coaching point guard Derrick Rose a third time. The Knicks and Pistons are nearing an agreement that would send Dennis Smith Jr. and a draft pick to the Pistons for Rose, as reported by The Athletic and confirmed by The Post.
A source said the Knicks and Pistons are still talking about the trade. Knicks president Leon Rose wasn’t in his customary courtside seat by midcourt for Sunday’s game against the Heat. Sources told The Post Saturday they wouldn’t include a first-round pick in any Rose deal. The draft pick is likely one of their slew of second-round picks.
According to a source, the Knicks, one of the NBA’s worst offenses statistically, still feel they need more firepower, especially at the end of games to have more options. Thibodeau likely won’t start Rose but he could close with him if the deal goes through.
Stefan Bondy: Today when I asked Thibodeau if his reputation for being hesitant to give young players minutes was fair, guess who he brought up? “Derrick Rose is the youngest MVP in the history of the league. So I don’t worry about that stuff.”
Vincent Goodwill: From last night. Also: Miami, L.A. Clippers, Milwaukee, Brooklyn were all in the running
StatMuse: Find someone who loves you as much as Tom Thibodeau loves Derrick Rose. Thibs has had D-Rose on every team he has ever coached. pic.twitter.com/3vHYYtobx1
Shams Charania: The Detroit Pistons are nearing agreement on deal to send Derrick Rose to the New York Knicks for Dennis Smith Jr. and draft compensation, sources tell me and @JLEdwardsIII .
Rose is on the books for $7.7 million this season and will become an unrestricted freeagent this summer. However, any team acquiring Rose before thetrade deadline would inherit his Early Bird Rights. That allows a team to offer up to 175 percent of Rose’s previous salary, which comes to $13.4 million, without using cap space. One caveat is that a new contract for Rose must run for at least two years.
If the Knicks acquired Rose, it would mean a reduced role for current starter Elfrid Payton. It’s also unclear what an acquisition would mean for Immanuel Quickley, who has been a bright spot for the Knicks, ranking second on the team in player efficiency rating (18.45) and third in our HoopsHype Rookie of the Year rankings. Thibodeau has been bullish on Quickley’s attitude, approach, and ability to shoot as a scoring threat with the second unit thus far.
Ian Begley: I was told that at some point in the offseason some people with the Knicks felt they were close to acquiring Rose in a trade back then.
Those Early Bird Rights could appeal more to a team like the Clippers, given their salary cap situation. The Clippers are right at the hard cap, so they either have totrade equal salary or decrease salary in a trade. A potential offer of Lou Williams and Mfiondu Kabengele theoretically could make sense from a salary cap perspective. The Clippers also have three of Detroit’s second-round picks from 2024-26, which they acquired in the Luke Kennard trade.
The Derrick Rose era in Detroit is nearing a resolution, as the two sides are working to sort out his future. The New York Knicks are engaged in active talks to acquire the Pistons guard, a move that would reunite the former league MVP with head coach Tom Thibodeau, sources tell The Athletic.
The Pistons and Rose mutually agreed that a trade would be best for both sides, per sources. While there is a great deal of respect for one another, the rebuilding Pistons plan to increase their usage of young players as the season progresses, according to those sources. Rose, meanwhile, has continued to show on the floor that he could improve a team that is in title or playoff contention.
Vincent Goodwill: A Derrick Rose to the Knicks trade is “close” but not final, league sources tell @YahooSports
Dave McMenamin: Dwane Casey says Derrick Rose will be inactive against the Lakers on Saturday for personal reasons.
The Knicks, among others, have interest in Rose, an NBA source familiar with the situation confirmed to The Post. According to sources, the Knicks have not had any discussions yet with the Pistons. Rose is an impending free agent and the Pistons own the worst record in the NBA at 4-13 and are tied to their lottery pick, Killian Hayes, at point guard.
The Post has learned Thibodeau pushed hard to sign Gibson recently for depth. Sources close to Thibodeau believe he would still like to reunite with Rose. While with Minnesota, Thibodeau tried to pry Rose from the Knicks before the 2017 trade deadline but backed out with hours to go. Thibodeau’s T’wolves later signed Rose as a free agent.
A couple of notes on the Knicks’ reported interest in Derrick Rose… Tom Thibodeau coached Rose in Chicago and signed him in Minnesota. So Thibodeau would probably be in favor of the Knicks’ pursuit. Prior to the 2020 NBA trade deadline, neither the Detroit Pistons nor Rose had strong interest in executing a trade that would send Rose out of Detroit. Rose was happy with the Pistons and saw Detroit as a potential long-term home, per SNY sources.
Under new GM Troy Weaver, it’s possible the Pistons take a different approach with Rose. Rose, it’s worth noting, enjoyed his time with the Knicks and hoped to re-sign with them in the 2018 offseason. The Knicks opted against re-signing him and Rose subsequently signed short-term deals with Minnesota and Detroit. Rose is set to be a free agent in the 2021 offseason. If the Knicks were to give up assets for him, it would indicate that they planned on re-signing him in the 2021 offseason. New York will have significant cap space this the coming offseason.
New York and the Clippers are among interested teams in Pistons guard Derrick Rose, sources said. Knicks coach Tom Thibodeau has a long history with Rose, coaching the former league MVP in Chicago and Minnesota.
Detroit Pistons: Will Blake Griffin be traded? Scotto: Derrick Rose has the most trade value for them, but I know they love him with Killian Hayes and developing him. I’ve heard ownership loves Rose. For me, can Blake Griffin be traded, given he has one more year after this with a player option? Medina: I can’t see it. He has a big number. He’s been injury-riddled these last four years. I know he had a good 2018-19 season.
Michael Scotto: I do think they’re eventually going to look to flip Derrick Rose at the trade deadline and get an asset back for him. It’s been already determined that Killian Hayes, their rookie draft pick, is going to be the point guard of the present and the future. That doesn’t mean that a guy like Rose doesn’t have value to a team that’s contending. I do look for him to be their most sought after asset as we get into the season.
Following a front office makeover, the Pistons are in a rebuild mode. At 32, Rose isn’t part of the long-term solution for Detroit but is still an attractive asset. “Either he or the pick Detroit has are their most valuable assets right now,” an Eastern Conference executive told HoopsHype.
Now, with the Lakers in a much different position, coming off a championship and measuring what it will take to remain a contender as other teams around the league improve, Rose is again a focal point. And with some pressure to act, both the Lakers and the Pistons might be pushed into finding common ground on a trade. “I think both sides were reluctant when they went into in January, February,” one general manager told Heavy.com. “I don’t think the Lakers wanted to make a major move because they thought they could do something on the buyout market. And I don’t think the Pistons wanted to make a major move because Derrick was happy there. You know, the Lakers wanted to be involved in case the Clippers got involved or someone else, the Bucks or the Nuggets, whoever. So there was interest but not too serious. Now, everything has shifted a little. Now, they’re both in a position to where a deal is much more likely now.”
A fresh chapter in Detroit Pistons franchise history is set to be written next season, but new general manager Troy Weaver still sees veteran stars Blake Griffin and Derrick Rose as part of the “plans going forward.” Griffin, 31, is coming off left knee surgery after playing in just 18 games this season. “I’m excited about having the chance to work with Blake,” Weaver, a longtime Oklahoma City Thunder executive, said Monday at his introductory news conference. “Obviously, being in Oklahoma City for the last 12 years, I remember Blake quite well, playing at OU and his family being around there, being from Oklahoma City. So, I’m very familiar with Blake.
Meanwhile, sources say the Lakers offered a package involving Alex Caruso and draft compensation for Derrick Rose, which was rejected as the Pistons had set a high value on the former NBA MVP. The Lakers stood pat at the deadline — and VP of basketball operations Rob Pelinka instead upgraded the roster post-deadline. The Lakers remain the No. 1 seed in the West at 47-13.
Derrick Rose signed a two-year, $15 million deal with the Detroit Pistons this past offseason, and the Eastern Conference team reportedly has no plans to negotiate a buyout with the point guard even though the Los Angeles Lakers were interested in a trade. Brian Windhorst reported as much on The Hoop Collective (h/t Real GM): “No, there’s no chance. He’s under contract for next year at a good number. From what I understand, when the Lakers called the Pistons and expressed an interest in trading for Derrick Rose, the Pistons said ‘Hey, we appreciate you calling, but we’re not trading him. Dwane Casey likes him. We think he’s going to be important for us next year.’ He just wasn’t available.”
The Detroit Pistons rebuffed interest from the Los Angeles Lakers in trading for Derrick Rose. The Lakers have been seeking a perimeter scorer to round out their roster. “No, there’s no chance,” said Brian Windhorst on The Hoop Collective Podcast in reply to a question on whether the Pistons might negotiate a buyout with Rose. “He’s under contract for next year at a good number. From what I understand, when the Lakers called the Pistons and expressed an interest in trading for Derrick Rose, the Pistons said ‘hey, we appreciate you calling, but we’re not trading him. Dwane Casey likes him. We think he’s going to be important for us next year.’ He just wasn’t available.”
Rod Beard: #Pistons Stefanski on potentially moving Derrick Rose: “We would have to get a nice package to move Derrick. He’s had an unbelievable year.”
James Edwards III: Stefanski on keeping Rose: “We would have had to get a nice package for Derrick. He’s had an unbelievable year. We like him as a leader with the young guys. They probably idolize him.” Said that you’d have to ask other teams if the injury played a part in interest.
Derrick Rose doesn’t want to be traded from the Detroit Pistons despite widespread interest, and barring an unforeseen offer, he’ll be a Piston for the remainder of the season, sources told Yahoo Sports. If the Pistons are able to fetch an offer for Rose that includes a lottery pick, it’s something the franchise will seriously consider as they ponder a rebuild, sources told Yahoo Sports.
If the Pistons are able to fetch an offer for Rose that includes a lottery pick, it’s something the franchise will seriously consider as they ponder a rebuild, sources told Yahoo Sports. But it appears likely Rose will stay in Detroit with the Pistons, the franchise that gave him a two-year deal this off-season at a cap-friendly number of $15 million.
Jeff Zillgitt: Pistons guard Derrick Rose remains a name to watch ahead of Thursday’s trade deadline. Sixers need 3-point shooting but they also need offense in general, and Rose can provide that. If Elton Brand can’t get a 3-point shooter …
Shams Charania on Derrick Rose: “He wants to be in Detroit. Derrick feels at home and Detroit has embraced him with open arms.”
Also, Sixers guard Zhaire Smith was being mentioned in possible packages for Pistons guard Derrick Rose, an Eastern Conference league executive said.
Vincent Ellis: Derrick Rose on trade rumors: It’s up to the front office. Arn (Tellem) gave me his word that if something were to happen, he will text or call, but I told him that I want to stay here, but it’s not up to me. You already know how that goes.”
The Sixers have been linked to a resurgent Derrick Rose, their former forward Covington and sharpshooter Davis Bertans. But the asking price, particularly for Covington, one source said, has been too steep. As in: Matisse Thybulle, plus a first-rounder — a hang-up worthy offer.
The Pistons are open to discussing deals for Derrick Rose, with an asking price of a lottery-level first-round pick, according to sources.
Derrick Rose: Per several sources, the 31-year-old Rose — aside from one or two young players — is considered to be Detroit’s best asset at the deadline. The former MVP has scored 20-plus points for 13 straight games, which he’s never done before in his career. Playoff-contending teams have shown interest in Rose, but there’s a sense the Pistons, who don’t want to be a laughing stock during a rebuild, won’t trade him just to do it. They’ll want value — a first-round pick or an intriguing young prospect — to consider moving him.
NBA Central: The Detroit Pistons are reportedly asking for a first round pick in any deal centered around Derrick Rose, per @TheAthleticNBA
The Los Angeles Lakers, Philadelphia 76ers and multiple teams with championship aspirations have expressed interest in trading for Detroit Pistons guard Derrick Rose, league sources told Yahoo Sports. The Clippers have checked in on Rose as well, but it was more of a common exploratory talk, sources said. The Lakers and Sixers are in search of point guard assistance for the stretch run, sources said.
Rose is happy with the Pistons and isn’t looking to be traded, sources said, but the decision is beyond his control being. He has one more year at $7.6 million remaining on his contract.
You talk about comfort level here and you chose to come here in free agency. There may be trade interest in you before the Feb. 6 deadline. What do you want to happen? Rose: I haven’t really thought about it. Me and [agent] B.J. [Armstrong] haven’t talked about it. When we have talked, it was more about All-Star and what appearances I have for adidas. It wasn’t anything else as far as like what teams are calling, this and that. We were pretty straightforward. We talk about how I play.
Q: You talk about comfort level here and you chose to come here in free agency. There may be trade interest in you before the Feb. 6 deadline. What do you want to happen? Derrick Rose: I haven’t really thought about it. Me and [agent] B.J. [Armstrong] haven’t talked about it. When we have talked, it was more about All-Star and what appearances I have for adidas. It wasn’t anything else as far as like what teams are calling, this and that. We were pretty straightforward. We talk about how I play.
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A league source told The Sacramento Bee the 24-year-old guard is seeking a new contract worth about $9 million per year, which would be slightly higher than the four-year, $34.6 million deal De’Anthony Melton signed with the Memphis Grizzlies in November. It remains to be seen if Davis will be able to command that kind of salary two years after going undrafted out of Ole Miss, but his camp can draw comparisons to Melton based on his age and level of production.
Windhorst: “So I’m not sure we’re gonna get a star on the market.” Spears: “But I’m gonna be at Golden State headquarters just in case.” Windhorst: “Well. The rumor out of Team USA is that Draymond is doing work [laughter].” Spears: “[Laughter] GM Green?” Windhorst: “[Laughter] That’s all I’m gonna say. The team building going on — the team building is that Draymond is doing work.”
Do you feel underrated coming into the draft? Aaron Henry: Absolutely I feel underrated, but what else is new? It’s been like that since I was 16 years old in high school. Homeschools didn’t even recruit me. It always happens, but I always end up making the most of my opportunities. I wasn’t even expected to play when I came to Michigan State as a freshman, and I beat the odds there. Whatever happens Thursday (NBA Draft) happens. I’m a worker. I’m going to find my way like I always have. I’ve always been overlooked, under-recruited, underrated in the process. Hard work will beat everything. That’s what I’m about.
Where do you think you rank against the other forwards in the draft? Aaron Henry: At the top for sure. I don’t know anybody who would give you a different answer. I belong up there for sure. There’s not much I can’t do. My free throw percentage went up. I’ve shown I can shoot it between the 34-35 percent (three-point) clip for a season playing on or off the ball. I can defend with the best of them and rebound. I can pass. A team is going to be happy with what they get from me.